When details emerged during the Bush Administration about so-called "harsh interrogation techniques," news organizations debated whether they should classify waterboarding as torture. A recent study from the Shorenstein Center at Harvard took a look back at the coverage and found that four of the largest newspapers did not classify it as torture after 2004, even though for the previous century they had. Neal Desai, the main author of the paper, explains how they found this dramatic shift.


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Raul
"I'm sure the Nazi used the most qualified surgeons and doctors just in case something went wrong"
Wrong - they didn't. The United States Holocaust Museum can provide details.
1. According to Thiessen's book, it is not the same. To say the CIA waterboarding of three men is the same as in other cases and for the same reasons would be factually incorrect to say the least.
2. FDR was a Democrat President when US citizens were sent to internment camps and German terrorists were dealt with even more harshly and the press and Supreme Court raised no serious objections at the time.
President Bush never sent a whole ethnic group of US citizens to internment camps or even dealt with terrorists like FDR did with the German who landed in the US.
As you see, your points do not hold up against the historical record and the facts; and facts are stubborn things.
Thanks
People like R frighten me.
I'm sure the Nazi used the most qualified surgeons and doctors just in case something went wrong, and you know how the Germans are about keeping thing tidy....jk.
We either have principals or what we don't. Principals are not conditional. Neither should war crimes be.
Two things standout for me in this story.
1. The fact that USA media call waterboarding torture when some other country does it and not when we do it speaks volumes.
2. This little dance of semantics would not have been employed had the invasion or other misadventures taken place under a Democratic President. The press always seems less constrained under a Dem regime.
So don't worry R I'm sure the CIA is quietly torturing people in clean Black Site somewhere around the world.
According to Marc Thiessen in "Courting Disaster", innocent civilians in the US and UK in the last decade were spared the real torture of being victims of a terrorist attack because KSM and Abu Zubaydah got some purified distilled water thrown in their face while physicians carefully monitored them during the procedure to assure their well being. That is more care than Navy Seals get when they are waterboarded in training. Again, Thiessen goes into detail about water torture carried out throughout world history and it bares no comparison to what was done to the three al Qaeda terrorists which resulted in the saving of innocent lives.
I understand many are unable to comprehend the moral differences here but to dismiss these facts is unserious and irresponsible.
Ahh, I get it. When we do it it isn't torture. Newspeak is here.
Um...I'm sure it's great comfort to be waterboarded in a clean, sterile, environment.
Last I checked, torture is torture, whoever does it, however often, to whatever kinds of people. Waterboarding, in my opinion, is one of those things.
The ignorance displayed in this broadcast is appauling.
The one wrong assumtion that is made is that all waterboarding is equal and the context of the practice is always the same. The waterboarding conducted by the CIA on three (count them three) high level Al-Queda terrorists in order to uncover monsterous plots against civilians is NOTHING like water torture practiced in East Germany, Cambodia, Nazi occupied Europe, Japanese occupied Asia or anywhere else. Sloppy "reporters" should examine the exact details of what the Japanese did to thousands of UNIFORMED soldiers in a flithy setting and what the CIA did in a sterile setting with medical supervision to high level terrorists about to carry out attacks.
The book Courting Disaster" by Marc Thiessen explains this comprehensively. Try reading it.
It is like removing a healthy tooth with rusty plyers compared to removing a rotten and diseased tooth in a large hospital with a team of world class dentists.
I would describe the former as brutal torture and the latter as precise and necessary.
The highly literate word-smith interviewer likes to use the word "weenies". The listener of OTM will be the judge on who the real "weenies" are.
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