Yeah, "secretly" pulling the strings while he was 100% owner and signing SEC documents proclaiming he was the owner and CEO. How gullible are you? I have no doubt that he "pulls the strings' at Bain now, since he owns a significant part of it and has the ear of the management there. If it was your money wouldn't you? If you were would there and had this great financial genius as resource, wouldn't you take advantage of that? Romney not being at arm's length from Bain does not pass the smell test. Certainly not to the point of calling The President a liar. You have a paper trail supporting Romney's involvement, sworn statements to the SEC and the MA election commission and only the word of him and his employees that he was not involved. I don't know how or why this fiction has persisted so long. You should at least have the balance to say that Romney lied on government forms when you say that he was not involved with Bain.