Friday, May 30, 2014


Amid revelations of Elliot Rodger's deep-seated anger and resentment toward women, Internet activists crafted a counter-narrative with the hashtag #YesAllWomen. It has created a catalog of stories about what not all men do, but what most women fear: male violence. Brooke talks with Deanna Zandt, co-creator of the Tumblr "When Women Refuse", about the potency of the hashtag to shed light on everyday misogyny. 


Deanna Zandt

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Brooke Gladstone

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Furthermore the assumption behind this # is that we need more "awareness". But actually we have had decades of very loud and constant "awareness" campaigns, to the point where 24/7 news/blogging sites like jezebel and others contribute to a cacophony of awareness, there is a XX on slate, there is bbc womens hour and many others where there is nonstop coverage of such topics.

So one must ask why the constant campaigns claiming more awareness is necessary when people are already over whelmed with it. I think its about power and position. As long as these womens groups can claim to be victims, they can extract concessions and dominate the debate. Its why they are so oblivious when things like the misguided "ban bossy" campaign came out. All those women and no one around them said hey...this is a bad idea, because we live in a culture where things are no longer questioned, its just awareness, and the same talking points over and over again. The ban bossy campaign was especially interesting because it debunked itself, each of the women involved were examples of incredible privilege, beyonce and Jennifer garner were genetically blessed, and no one, no "patriarchy" stood in the way of their success. Cheryl Samburg is a billionaire, and no one stood in her way either, but again we aren't supposed to talk about that because it betrays the truth, that women do have equal access in almost all cases to achieve success, but the pleading for special treatment continues, and the only way to continue to demand this is to continue perpetrating the mentality of professional victimhood. Real questions of inequality and why, such as the reasons why 90% of prisoners are men are never questioned, its only why there aren't women in the board room. Why women won't do the hard blue collar jobs, its not considered, because its all drowned out by campaigns like this which portray all women as victims, and all men as predators, and this short circuits any discussion based on reality. Victims aren't accountable, they only demand change, and this is about reinforcing that position.
Its why the default play is professional victimhood for women, and because of societies actual bias to protect women, these women are believed without any skepticism. When women like anita sarkeesian or even deeana try to dismiss their critics by smearing them all as internet trolls, or people who make threats, no one seems to question if there is any substance to this claim. After all people get threats and trolled from hardcore fans if they dare to bad mouth Justin bieber for instance. But it seems for women every accusation is unquestioned. They play the damsel, society and the media swoop in the save them. So women like anita kick a hornets nest, and open the comments just long enough to get what they want, and then no one questions them. Suey park has even resorted to the same move. Anyways, this hashtag reason for being is questionable by default.

Jun. 14 2014 04:08 AM

The problem is that it doesn't address the problem, the reason all women fear is because the statistics are extremely exaggerated to the point where they have convinced women that 1 in 4 or whatever women will be raped in their lifetime, when its simply not true. Just go down the line on the statistics, men are murdered more, if you include prison rape, raped more, more die from suicide and on and on. The problem with this movement is that its used to push a permanent mentality of victimhood which keeps people from discussing any true inequalities.
Like the fact that elliots problem points out a social norm, women expect men to approach them, not the other way around. Never mind the fact that his narcissistic entitlement issues would not have been that problematic if he were a women. A women with his issues wouldn't end up as a killer because they would have their ego reinforced by the constant attention from men, and would probably just end up on one of those "real housewives" of x county on tv. This points to innate biological gender differences these women aren't ready to acknowledge or really talk about, which is why these hashtags are pointless, it becomes just a parade of victimhood.

Jun. 13 2014 07:53 AM

#YesAllWomen Because too many young men think "getting over on" (i.e. raping) a girl, is something to brag about. http://goo.gl/fb/BYi6j

Jun. 05 2014 09:39 PM

Your comment seems to want to negate the important issues raised in this program. Misandry receives scant attention because it's not the huge social problem that misogyny is.

Jun. 05 2014 12:44 AM
Casey Preston from Boston, MA

Based on the way this story was presented, there seemed to be a misunderstanding by the producers about the #notallmen / #yesallwomen genesis. It is implied that the #notallmen was used by men's rights groups to defend themselves from accusations and that #yesallwomen was created to focus comments on feminist concerns. While #yesallwomen was created in response to #notallmen, I believe that #notallmen was also created for feminist purposes as a way of mocking the common "not all men" argument used by some men to defend themselves against charges of misogyny and derail discussions about overall issues with misogyny in society. I don't think that anybody has ever used #notallmen while trying to defend men or misogyny. Also, #notallmen predated last weeks mass killing. This is the first I had heard about #notallmen, http://jezebel.com/your-guide-to-not-all-men-the-best-meme-on-the-interne-1573535818

Jun. 01 2014 05:20 PM
Duncan from Georgia

Misandry is a phenomenon that is quite real and receives scant attention; it is, however, the 'other' side of the coin.

Jun. 01 2014 05:10 PM
Anon otm faithful from West coast, USA

Deanna: "We have these extremely traumatic moments that are very emotional for a lot of people." Who are these lot of people? This is traumatic to the very few the people directly connected (few compared to the national scope of the story). It feels like a media bubble fiction to say so many people are so upset! The next interviewee hints this too when he says: "The only reason to talk about tragedy, unless you are someone who knows someone who died and you are mourning them, the only reason for you and me to be talking about it is to try and prevent bad things from happening in the future." Something I love about mad men: whenever the big national news stories go on, its always very minor to the characters and often they completely don't care at all, like real life. I'm not very interested in the killings. Discussions it spawns, which are not about the killing, like this one, are interesting.

Brooke: "Do you think 2 parallel arguments are happening without much intersection?" Great question. Deanna sort of says yes, and also "Most people before they come to a conversation, they feel isolated. ... They realize, I'm not crazy for feeling this way." Heartwarming. And how much the killer felt that about his corner of the internet? Still heartwarming.

Brooke: "Whats the biggest impediment?" Deanna: "Apathy. People feeling apathetic because they've never felt like they've been able to move a needle before. And I think these are some of the differences we are seeing when they are contributing to these social media moments. This is often times their first experience with contributing to some sort of social change. And they see what happens when it goes from their twitter stream to their local news station or to a mainstream cable news station or something on the radio."

That's inspiring. Inspiring enough to make this comment at least.

Awesome job Brooke.

May. 31 2014 05:15 AM
Carl Santoro from USA

Excellent interview! Deanna's "in-the-moment-tool", the hashtag used responsibly in #YesAllWomen to focus on society and its aberrations, can surely, as she so eloquently states - be used "as a tapestry that we can weave together to demonstrate really what's happening in our culture; that these are not isolated incidents."
Deanna, your hashtag activism WILL help to dissolve apathy!

May. 30 2014 09:13 PM

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